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« on: January 16, 2009, 14:12:23 PM »

Need to get this off my chest due to reports and interviews in he papares and tv in the last 48 hrs , his is a post by a jopurnalist who happens to be a blue and s disgusted with what has been said , i know a lot ofpeople on this forum will not be interested thats why i posted in gen dis , but some will






IT seems the potential transfer of Kaka has divided opinion among football fans more than almost any other issue in the history of the game.
Those opinions seem to differ dramatically depending on which club you support, so from the outset I feel I should state that I am a Manchester City supporter born and bred.
I am a great believer in healthy debates and accepting differing opinions – that’s part of the beauty of our wonderful game – but some of the criticism levelled at Manchester City in the past few days has been hypocritical and xenophobic.
Apparently spending £107million on one player is ‘bad for the game’. Well it is all very well making this statement but as yet I have yet to hear anyone back it up with a credible argument.
I would like someone to explain how having arguably the best player on the planet playing in the premiership is bad for football in this country.
And if by signing that player it opens up the possibility for another club to achieve success in the division how that can also be a bad thing.
Now here comes the hypocracy.
Name almost any club in the Premiership and I could tell you something they have done that is ‘bad for the game’.
Is having a foreign owner come along and, overnight, plunge a club into hundreds of millions of pounds of debt good for the game? Well that’s exactly what Manchester United and Liverpool did. At least Manchester City are completely debt free.
Wigan chairman Dave Whelan stated yesterday that this transfer will ‘rip the soul out of football’. I would argue that charging extortionate prices to away fans at the JJB Stadium rips the heart and soul out of the game. And as an aside Dave Whelan is the same man who, in his position at Wigan Warriors, has consistently broken the rugby league salary cap year after year.
Much of the heart and soul was ripped out of the game a long time ago (possibly around the time Sky took over and 3pm Saturday kick offs were consigned to history).
Arsene Wenger yesterday stated there will be a ‘disturbance’ in the transfer market, but he is way wide of the mark.
Manchester City are unique and the Kaka transfer is unique. What West Ham would charge Manchester City for a player will be different to what they charge Tottenham but that is the problem of Manchester City and their decision if they choose to pay it.
People are saying that Kaka will only be coming to Manchester City for the money and that he doesn’t really ‘love’ the club.
Well does Berbatov ‘love’ Manchester United and does Febregas ‘love’ arsenal? Let’s get real. Robinho doesn’t ‘love’ Manchester City but he loves us as much as any other player in the Premiership 'loves' their club.
If City can convince Kaka that they can win the Premiership in three years then you may well see him wearing sky blue in the very near future and he wouldn’t be wearing it just for the money.
Possibly the root of these wild accusations is that the money being spent is not that of an Englishman but of a faceless Sheik (described by Mr Whelan as ‘some Arab fella’) from a part of the world many have little understanding of.
But in 2009 should it not be possible for someone to buy a football club regardless of their race, religion or gender? His money is as good as anyone else’s – the problem only arises because he has more than anyone else.
The money being spent is his own personal wealth and he can do with it whatever he chooses within the confines of the law.
Would you tell someone that they couldn’t buy a car because they are paying too much for it? He is not spending the supporters’ money or even television rights money – it is his own cash.
And I have also heard ludicrous suggestions that £107million pounds could build two hospitals. Could anyone tell me why an Abu Dhabi Sheik should have to pay for two hospitals? If anyone could possibly use this argument it would be the people of Abu Dhabi. And for the record he does give very generously to many charities.
There is also the argument that City could buy four £20million players and build the team. Again the uniqueness of the situation has misled people. The fact is that Manchester City don’t just have £100million in the bank – they will buy Kaka as well as four other players and many more in the future.
Many comments have been made regarding Mark Hughes and how he has been undermined by this transfer and that he has had no part to play in the negotiations.
This is grossly unfair.
It is not the job of the modern manager to take part in negotiations other than to speak with the player once a fee has been agreed.
All a manager does at any club is identify a player he would like and ask the club’s hierarchy to purchase him – this transfer is no different to any other.
But all of this is in many ways immaterial because, no matter what anyone says, Manchester City will continue to spend huge amounts of money.
So if you are one those people who don’t agree with it you will just have to learn to live with it.
I am reluctant to use the term ‘jealousy’ because it is such an easy and perhaps childish accusation to throw around.
But judging by the backlash from the Kaka transfer there are many people within the game and sections of the media who are feeling very uneasy about the future.
But I feel assured in the fact that none of this criticism will be giving our owner, or our supporters, any sleepless nights.


the link is http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103703
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2009, 14:26:50 PM »

I can't for one minute understand why you've posted somebody else's opinion of what's going on at Man City on here Sam. Huh  Huh What's it got to do with us what some nameless journalist thinks of the Man City situation?

Now if you were expressing YOUR views then I could understand and debate with you but what exactly do you want to get off your chest? Huh Is it the fact that you disagree with him or maybe not. Wink

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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2009, 15:11:41 PM »

The only thing that makes me laugh about the whole situation is that all the other teams UTD being the main ones) will say as they did with Chelski that you have bought success and home grown players will not get chance, true enough, but football has been that way for years, every team has bought success, simple as that.  The only real teams that can say they haven't is National sides and even that is being tainted with long lost relatives from differnt countries allowing you to play for said country

In football terms the fee for Kaka should be looked at as about right, Rio was £30 million 5 years ago, Francis was the first million pound player back in the 80's I think, (May have been late 70's) so with inflation etc there really wouldn't be much in it,

Whether or not Football in general can justify paying the wages and fees it does is a totally different story alltogether.  I heard a caller on talk sport compare the money to a film star and the very good point made was, a movie star has to do it until he get's it right, albeit 1 day to 4 months worth of filming he has to do the scene until the director is happy....a footballer is not regulated by such demands when he gets his salary

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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2009, 17:14:07 PM »

A footballer might not be regulated, but he's still got to come up with the goods week in week out or before you know it you're playing for peanuts.

You've got to look at it in a business perspective, if they get European football, maybe some silverware, then if that puts £110M back into the club in sponsorship, shirt sales etc etc then it's a good deal.  If they just do a Leeds off the back of it then it's bad business.

I've heard a lot of 'it's obscene when people are losing their jobs' on the radio, no it isn't, firstly the guy can spend his money on what he likes - no matter how much you have or haven't got no one tells you what to spend it on.  Secondly there's a lot of hard up city fans, some of whom will have lost their jobs recently and if their bit of good news cheers them up in their gloom then good for them, enjoy the (footballing) good times while you can and sing when you're winning!

As for me I'm extremely proud that my team manages to hold on to the middle of the league where the majority of the players aren't just English, but loads of them were born and bred within twenty miles of the club and are proud to play for us because that's their local team.  That's real real local pride and you can't buy that for all the money in the world.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2009, 22:47:53 PM »

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The Milan Tv station is reporting teh KAKA deal is done he is coming to City ,


so hopefully on Thursday Kaka,De Jong,Bellamy and Given will be announced while i am sat in Lanza getiing abit drunk  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2009, 23:28:43 PM »

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The Milan Tv station is reporting teh KAKA deal is done he is coming to City ,


so hopefully on Thursday Kaka,De Jong,Bellamy and Given will be announced while i am sat in Lanza getiing abit drunk  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

seems i jumped  teh gun , italian press said yes he is coming and WE, CITY say no , think the greedy b*****d wanted more the 500k a week
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2009, 00:23:48 AM »

Here you go Sam.

   http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7838966.stm
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2009, 09:10:52 AM »

At least everyone knows how to pronounce Craig Bellamy.



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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2009, 10:28:42 AM »

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LMAO Josie, nice to see you're doing footy gags now  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2009, 10:36:13 AM »

FLASH im extremely proud my team holds on to middle of the league,have you looked lately : Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2009, 10:45:24 AM »

waddaya mean, we're only one win off the middle of the table and five wins off a European slot.

Half empty half full Deano  Wink

Was in the Crown last night watching the scousers battle it out, they seem to be making a good job of flattening the top of the league out too.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2009, 11:13:53 AM »

At least everyone knows how to pronounce Craig Bellamy.






YEP f**king w****r cant stand him and to pay double what he was bought for last year and how cant you say KAKA just think of twp small ford cars and say what you see  KAKA


word is Robiniho has left the training camp in Tenerife after a bust up , think he has gone to Golf del Sur to get some golf clubs after the news about Bellamy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/feb/19/newsstory.sport3
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2009, 12:44:12 PM »

I am so pleased this conversation is taking place in cyberspace!!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I know virtually nothing about footie but when I saw this headline on the back of The Times this morning I just couldn't resist.

"City wanted Kaka, they got Bellamy"

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PS Sam there are some differences of opinion on how to pronounce a certain Ford Ka

Just wish we had a ducking smiley.........
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2009, 12:50:13 PM »

well to get over the heartache of signing that little sh*t , i will be flying out on Thursday to Lanza for a break and not bothered about who we sign unless i am watching SSN all day in a bar have a cold one  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2009, 12:51:32 PM »

Hope you have a good one Sam.
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